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Great discussion, Simon, and I love how the comments reflect the many other issues that we might look at in addition to animal cruelty, like worker treatment, the distinction between industrial meat production and the responsible inclusion of biodiversity including animals in a holistic farming system. I used to put that "V" for vegan on the wines that I produced, but stopped after working in vineyards. As someone who has a soft spot for animals that often get referred to as "pests" - like voles, ground squirrels, gophers, rats, mice, and the entire realm of rodents really - I can say it is the extremely rare exception in wine or any other kind of farming that is able to produce a crop without disrupting the habitats, and often killing, many animals of some kind. If we're honest, I think the choice isn't between veganism and omnivorous diets, its between direct and indirect slaughter of many forms of life in order to produce our food and wine. I say this as someone who supports plant-focused diets both for health and ecological reasons. But I think it's important that we understand that we don't get away from the moral implications of killing animals even by being strict vegans.

Another point I'd bring up: when you come to appreciate plants as sentient beings, veganism begins to seem to make arbitrary distinctions between what really is just the continuum of life in various forms. I love and value my green relatives as much as my animal and bird relatives, and I don't see a moral difference in mistreating or eating one over the other. With this perspective, I think it's about our attitude and gratitude and the respect and love with which we approach the reality that life feeds on life, that we are all constantly transforming the energy of life into different forms. A great book about this is Nourishment by Fred Provenza.

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This has cropped up multiple times in this comment thread! But vegans don't have a problem with stuff like this that is unpreventable. At least, that was the Vegan Society's position.

They are not Jain buddhists!

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