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David Mastro Scheidt's avatar

Maybe I'm too much of a sci-fi geek, but I instantly thought about a habitat ring in Star Trek or futuristic dome on Mars. But the future is already here. This will get done, is getting done. We have wineries in all 50 U.S. states and Montana and North Dakota do not have hospitable winters. But crops are grown. Humans find a way. We will continue to innovate.

The natty crowd has a scale issue. You reference using machines to pick grapes. This shouldn't be controversial, it's the only way to keep the price down. And part of the appeal of natural winemaking is its reasonable pricing. Labor will not be getting cheaper. Ever. The natty community will have to find a rationalization for using machines.

Speaking of rationalization, I said this on another forum, all wine is intervention, it's just a matter of degree and rationalization. I know natty winemakers and their advocates who eat tomatoes in winter, Doritos, Top Ramen, and cheap bulk pasta, and drink cheap beer, but want the highest standard for their grapes or winemaking. Rationalization. Like your PIWI reference, that's acceptable but using a machine to pick the grapes is a problem?

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Joshua Jericho Ramos Levine's avatar

I don’t know enough about wine specifically, but there are so many things we don’t understand about how nature works that I’d be very suspicious of shielding plants from sunlight. Even though glasshouses have been used for centuries. And we can get decent crops from modern plastic greenhouses. I would agree that it breaks the definition of natural. Just as one small related example, many of us are growing grapes at home here in Upper Austria but we all plant them against or near a south-facing wall. What if the building materials are off-gassing whatever over the years and the strong summer sunlight against the wall is creating molecules that would never exist in nature, and these enter the grapes? Well for such small home harvests who cares. But on a massive scale, there are probably some differences. Maybe they’re harmless, maybe not.

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