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As a permaculturist and beekeeper seeing in real time how climate change and massive agricultural spraying is impacting my local ecosystem, I am embarrassed for Jaime Goode. I personally do not think how the global agricultural system is going to be how we generate food (and wine) in the next decade or so, because if you have dead soil, you won't have food, if you don't have pollinators, you won't have food. All linked back to petrochemicals. Farmers working within a regenerative model or a biodynamic model are the ones pushing the conventional farmers to embrace organic farming. They see that it works. I have seen organic wineries explode in Lazio along with the growth of the natural winemakers. I think organic should be the baseline.

Another observation I have is I have beehives on some vineyards around my area. They aren't my vineyards, I just asked if I could put them there. Anyway, every winemaker has said they have been able to reduce their spraying since they had the bees. They have better/stronger yeast strains and in 2023 when most of Lazio suffered from mildew, those vineyards did ok. Bee propolis is also a very interesting ingredient they are using in sprays in vineyards.

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Thanks for chasing this one, Simon. I'd read the earlier pieces and was likewise surprised by the bold claim that regenerative is sunk if it requires organics first. OTOH I once heard Jamie say, on The Four Top podcast, that he would be willing to drink glyphosate because it's not toxic to humans. So, bold claims are perhaps part of the identity.

It's often been observed, as Jason has here, that organics is about what you can't do and biodynamics is about what you must do. Perhaps regenerative can stake a middle ground, reclaiming some of the tenets of biodynamics that foster health within a closed system while acknowledging certain gestures—chemical, mechanical, and otherwise—must be avoided in pursuit of that goal.

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